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OFFLINE   Mike #21

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 05:52 PM

Why do they have to symbolise their commitment in the form of a religious ceremony?


I didn't realise a Marriage is always a religious ceremony. My parents certainly wasn't.

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OFFLINE   Firetorch #22

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 06:00 PM

I didn't realise a Marriage is always a religious ceremony. My parents certainly wasn't.


How so? Did they have one of those corny garden, or bogan beach weddings, and you think that it lost completely its religious significance? Who performed the ceremony? What was said at the ceremony?

Someone who never wants to enter a church as some sort of protest, is just an irrational, short tempered human being that can't be reasoned with.

OFFLINE   TGIF #23

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 06:04 PM

Ahh, don't drop the B word! You use it so often it's becoming a cliche.

You can have a wedding without religion. I went to a very nice one earlier this year in Fairfield Park - it was just like any other, except rather than a priest it was a civil celebrant standing up the front. Surely it's the actual commitment that counts, not the presence of God/Allah/Zoltan.

As for the church thing, I don't quite understand either.

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 06:07 PM

How so? Did they have one of those corny garden, or bogan beach weddings, and you think that it lost completely its religious significance? Who performed the ceremony? What was said at the ceremony?

Marriage in Australia is enacted through secularised law. If you want a religious ceremony, you can have one (and you get this certificate), and if you want a civil ceremony, you can have one (with this certificate).

Someone who never wants to enter a church as some sort of protest, is just an irrational, short tempered human being that can't be reasoned with.

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OFFLINE   Mike #25

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 06:10 PM

How so? Did they have one of those corny garden, or bogan beach weddings, and you think that it lost completely its religious significance? Who performed the ceremony? What was said at the ceremony?

Someone who never wants to enter a church as some sort of protest, is just an irrational, short tempered human being that can't be reasoned with.


No, it was a Registry Office in England. From the video I have watched it looked okay for what little money they had at the time.

I have entered churches before and have been to After School Religious Care and went to Religious Education. I don't hate Religion I just don't want to engage in it, my comment was merely a sarcastic comment about how if they aren't ready to drop their prejudices then they aren't something I ever want to be involved with. As I said though, they should be able to decline to marry Homosexuals if they want. I am not for the Government telling private organisations what to do, just like how I don't want the Government telling someone who is gay that for a religious reason they can't marry despite us supposedly having a secular Government.

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 10:15 PM

ACT should have a chance of passing it without the feds' vetoing it like last time, if all else fails.
Working with one of the "bad examples" (guy following the gay stereotype 100%, down to dressing in drag, never sleeping, always drinking energy drinks, taking drugs, smoking, going out every night and having sex with random guys, etc) really shows me why a lot of people dislike gay people. Its sad really that I had to experience working with someone of the same sexual orientation of me, but the complete opposite... but I did learn quite a bit.

OFFLINE   Mike #27

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 10:21 PM

There are dickhead Straight people too, doesn't stop straight marriage. Don't see the connection.

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 10:24 PM

There are dickhead Straight people too, doesn't stop straight marriage. Don't see the connection.

Sorry I got carried away on an anecdote about a lousy co-worker.. I realise that :)
I'm neutral on the issue to be honest (don't really care).. but one of those things that common sense should eventually prevail, and it should just be permitted..

OFFLINE   Mike #29

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 10:29 PM

Wasn't directed at you really, the article is the unfortunate display of what is still the stereotype with some people.

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 02:01 AM

Ahh, don't drop the B word! You use it so often it's becoming a cliche.


As much of a cliche as the 'inner city leftie uni student'? ;)

You can have a wedding without religion. I went to a very nice one earlier this year in Fairfield Park - it was just like any other, except rather than a priest it was a civil celebrant standing up the front. Surely it's the actual commitment that counts, not the presence of God/Allah/Zoltan.


Nothing to do with 'commitment', watching too many romantic movies I think. The concept of marriage involves being bound in a union by God, in a place of God, by a man of God. Or at least in my culture. In 'bogan' Australia the concept of marriage has shifted.

OFFLINE   Mike #31

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 04:43 AM

I think you are ignoring the fact that Marriage by law is not the same as a religious ceremony. Gay people aren't asking for a religious ceremony they are asking for a ability to legally get to marry. Its up the individual to include religion.

What you choose to do in 'your culture' whatever that is is up to you. We are talking about legalities not religion. 'Bogan Australia' seems to be mainstream Australia if it has shifted to a majority that think same sex marriage is no big deal.

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 08:50 AM

Nothing to do with 'commitment', watching too many romantic movies I think. The concept of marriage involves being bound in a union by God, in a place of God, by a man of God. Or at least in my culture.

That's not the lone culture recognised in secular law.

In 'bogan' Australia the concept of marriage has shifted.

Even Britain - not officially a secular state - "shifted" to acknowledging civil marriage with the Marriage Act of 1836, so I think you're a bit behind the times.

Oh, and we finally have your definition of being a "bogan" - a non-religious person. Thanks for clearing that up.

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 09:08 AM

Working with one of the "bad examples" (guy following the gay stereotype 100%, down to dressing in drag, never sleeping, always drinking energy drinks, taking drugs, smoking, going out every night and having sex with random guys, etc) really shows me why a lot of people dislike gay people. Its sad really that I had to experience working with someone of the same sexual orientation of me, but the complete opposite... but I did learn quite a bit.


Knowing what happens in some of the sub-groups makes me very very f**king angry and sick... to the point where sometimes I'm ashamed that by me being gay some people will put me in the same group as those people who to me are not even human... I am not talking about guys dressing in drag or what not, I am talking about the gay world the media doesn't report on but anyone in the scene knows exists... I am glad I have no part of it. I can see completely why as you said the general public have formed a stigma about it, and yes it is the few that have ruined it for others.

I know what you mean Nahcoob as being the complete opposite... I don't go out of my way to tell people I am gay, don't feel I act it or make it known... if someone asks I say yes, but don't take the view that I have to be some gay activist and force people to accept me.. cause in the end they don't have to and i don't expect them to... I don't go on the scene or feel that I have to be part of it... just over it all...

I'm a bit divided when it comes to gay marriage... to me personally I don't care, in the end all it is is to me is a piece of paper... I don't need to be legally married to feel complete with someone, and hey the fact I will never have to deal with a messy divorce and walk away with my life assets in tact to me is a perk.

But hey if people want to do then they should be allowed a register, although I don't know how divorces will go and everything else that comes with marriage. Personally if they have a registrar, I doubt I would be signing up... Getting married in a church is a completely different story as that is up to the church which won't happen.

OFFLINE   TGIF #34

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 09:11 AM

Oh, and we finally have your definition of being a "bogan" - a non-religious person. Thanks for clearing that up.

That's good, I was getting quite confused.

I didn't think it was possible to be a son of the latte belt, but also a bogan at the same time.

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 10:14 AM

Knowing what happens in some of the sub-groups makes me very very f**king angry and sick... to the point where sometimes I'm ashamed that by me being gay some people will put me in the same group as those people who to me are not even human... I am not talking about guys dressing in drag or what not, I am talking about the gay world the media doesn't report on but anyone in the scene knows exists... I am glad I have no part of it. I can see completely why as you said the general public have formed a stigma about it, and yes it is the few that have ruined it for others.

I know what you mean Nahcoob as being the complete opposite... I don't go out of my way to tell people I am gay, don't feel I act it or make it known... if someone asks I say yes, but don't take the view that I have to be some gay activist and force people to accept me.. cause in the end they don't have to and i don't expect them to... I don't go on the scene or feel that I have to be part of it... just over it all...

That sums up my feelings perfectly.
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Posted 10 November 2009 - 01:06 PM

This is prob off topic but it is Gay related... and mods please move it if needed...

But I came across a gay website last night... was absolutely f**king disgusted about it and quite frankly it made me angry... I posted something and well you guessed my post was pretty much removed and censored...

Anyways is there any governing body here or in the US as it was a US site to report it to, to try and get it removed?

Edited by MICK, 10 November 2009 - 08:17 PM.


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Posted 10 November 2009 - 02:54 PM

This is prob off topic but it is Gay related... and mods please move it if needed...

But I came across a gay website last night... was absolutely f**king disgusted about it and quite frankly it made me angry... I posted something and well you guessed my post was pretty much removed and censored...

Anyways is there any governing body here on in the US as it was a US site to report it to, to try and get it removed?

I don't care to know what site you're referring to but if the website is not publishing anything illegal then there's probably not much anyone can do about it. I mean if every website that anyone deemed to be inappropriate or whatever was taken off the internet then there wouldn't be an internet. Nobody wants a filtered internet so sometimes it means we come across things we don't appreciate or that we find offensive.

OFFLINE   Mike #38

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 03:28 PM

This is prob off topic but it is Gay related... and mods please move it if needed...

But I came across a gay website last night... was absolutely f**king disgusted about it and quite frankly it made me angry... I posted something and well you guessed my post was pretty much removed and censored...


Was there anything illegal on it (ie: underage?) if so you can report it if its hosted in Australia and I'm sure there is somewhere in the states to report it to, or the webhost. If not then just don't go to gay porn sites?

Edited by Mike, 10 November 2009 - 03:29 PM.


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Posted 10 November 2009 - 07:08 PM

This is prob off topic but it is Gay related... and mods please move it if needed...

But I came across a gay website last night... was absolutely f**king disgusted about it and quite frankly it made me angry... I posted something and well you guessed my post was pretty much removed and censored...

Anyways is there any governing body here on in the US as it was a US site to report it to, to try and get it removed?

Online content in Australia is overseen by the Australian Communications and Media Authority.

You can get more information at: http://www.acma.gov.au

If it is something to do pornography that is overseen by the Australian Federal Police.

Hope that helps :)

Edited by kubz, 10 November 2009 - 07:21 PM.

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OFFLINE   MICK #40

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 07:53 PM

If not then just don't go to gay porn sites?


Narr trust me Mike, no amount of porn offends me Posted Image

If it is something to do pornography that is overseen by the Australian Federal Police.


Mods can edit this if they like:

It wasn't porn... but what the site basically is, is it teaches gay men who have HIV how to deliberately deceive guys into thinking they are negative, and also goes into detail on how to sabotage condoms, and make the person think they are using one with the outcome being to deliberately infect someone without the other person knowing. It also contains posts from guys boasting on how many guys they have made positive without them knowing.

Now as far as i'm concerned besides the fact this kind of stuff makes me angry beyond belief and which was what I was getting at in my last post about some sub cultures making me ashamed to be gay... but this would be illegal in the US. Thing is since in my mind it is a criminal matter, as there were also recently 2 people sent to prison in victoria over doing the above... I just trying to figure out who to report it to, as it is hosted in the US.

Yes TelevisionAU I agree that the internet shouldn't be censored and freedom of speech and all but I draw the line with the above.

Edited by MICK, 10 November 2009 - 07:56 PM.