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OFFLINE   J Bar #61

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 10:18 PM

And the rest of Australian TV isn't??? Cause singing and dancing contests, renovation shows etc. aren't last decade :unsure:

They weren't axed due to poor ratings. :tongue:


So the booming social media environment and phone hacking scandals doesn't make this show any more relevant?
While I'm on the subject of BB becoming more relevant, watch the movie "the Truman Show"- it gets more and more relevant everyday!

The premise of The Truman Show is that the main character is unsuspectingly living in a "reality" show. Big Brother contestants know they are being filmed and are cautious or playing up to the cameras. Maybe the first season could be passed off as a social experiment but since then it was fake reality just like many other reality shows have been proven to be these days such as The Hills and the Kardashians.


That will never happen! I think you're all forgetting the last season of Big Brother wrapped up in 2008 not 1988, we had Facebook and Youtube back then! All content will be funneled through the official website with ads and a pay wall for coverage.

True. As they did back then with the official website with ads and a pay wall. BB used My Space back then where Facebook would take over now. Forums and Live chatrooms basically did what Twitter will do now.

Nothing new here. Move along now, BB tragics. :tongue:

Edited by J Bar, 17 November 2011 - 10:19 PM.

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OFFLINE   InTheWild #62

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 11:29 PM

Agree with all of you. Next year is looking like a ratings war between Seven and Nine, and to a lesser extent ABC and TEN :laugh: .


I feel like I am in a time machine. I could swear these were the same comments that I was reading (and writing) this time last year. Nine have A LOT of ground to make up before coming close to being #1. I really hope 2012 will be a year with more competition between the networks. I think Seven have a lot to live up to and a lot to loose next year. If viewers suddenly get sick of reality shows (like they got sick of comedy after 2010) then most networks will be in big trouble - Nine more than most.

OFFLINE   MillerT1 #63

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 11:48 PM

The more I think about it, I think 2012 could possibly be to Nine what 2005 was to Seven.

In 2004, Seven wasn't doing very well but late in the year, they had one success: Dancing with the Stars. Even though The Block came back last year, the show truly stands as Nine's only big success this year.

In 2005, Seven got a hold of two other big shows that brought them big ratings: Desperate Housewives and Lost. Their 2005 was much better than 2004. If you look at Nine in 2004, they had two big US shows that gave them big success: CSI and Friends so you can tell that Seven wanted to find big tentpole shows like these to fill that hole in their schedule. Fast forward to now and the networks have realised that US shows don't really pull in the big figures anymore and Seven have discovered that reality is once again the big thing. So Nine got a hold of two franchises: The Voice and Big Brother that could have the potential to be big hits. Finally, Seven had a huge sporting event with the Australian Open. Nine have a huge sporting event next year with the London Olympics.

But I think the most important thing to note from this comparison is this. Yes, Seven had all this success back in 2005 but it still didn't win them the year. I think Nine will do well next year, but it won't win the year. But it could possibly be the first step in taking the ratings crown back sometime in the future.

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 05:06 PM

I posted this elswhere

Nine on brink as owners seek debt extension

Looks like there might have to be some major cost cutting in 2012. The big question is whether what is seen on-air will be affected. Will programs have to be cancelled, talent cut back? All these new franchises cost money to purchase and produce. How do you do that if the owners are $2.7 billion in debt? Not to mention paying for output deals from studios for product.

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 05:22 PM

ACP Mags, Acer Arena and ticketek will be up for sale soon, which will help a bit.

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 05:25 PM

ACP Mags, Acer Arena and ticketek will be up for sale soon, which will help a bit.

So there's a chance Nine will sell off everything it has except it's television and online share in ninemsn assets? What will happen when the magazines are sold- will NineMSN still have their websites?

ONLINE   Mr. J #67

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 06:30 PM

Not to mention paying for output deals from studios for product.

I think all networks would be wise to start cost-cutting in their output deals. 9 pay way too much for Warner brothers and they barely get anything out of their Sony deal. I think when the WB contract is up for renewal they will go halves with foxtel the way ten does with 20th century fox. 7 should do the same.

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 06:56 PM

Does not put them in a good position to bid for the NRL either.

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 08:24 AM

The more I think about it, I think 2012 could possibly be to Nine what 2005 was to Seven.

In 2004, Seven wasn't doing very well but late in the year, they had one success: Dancing with the Stars. Even though The Block came back last year, the show truly stands as Nine's only big success this year.

In 2005, Seven got a hold of two other big shows that brought them big ratings: Desperate Housewives and Lost. Their 2005 was much better than 2004. If you look at Nine in 2004, they had two big US shows that gave them big success: CSI and Friends so you can tell that Seven wanted to find big tentpole shows like these to fill that hole in their schedule. Fast forward to now and the networks have realised that US shows don't really pull in the big figures anymore and Seven have discovered that reality is once again the big thing. So Nine got a hold of two franchises: The Voice and Big Brother that could have the potential to be big hits. Finally, Seven had a huge sporting event with the Australian Open. Nine have a huge sporting event next year with the London Olympics.

But I think the most important thing to note from this comparison is this. Yes, Seven had all this success back in 2005 but it still didn't win them the year. I think Nine will do well next year, but it won't win the year. But it could possibly be the first step in taking the ratings crown back sometime in the future.

Well, back in 2005 the networks were alot stronger than they are now- multichannels and all. Nine still had hits all over their schedule which had been top-rating for years- Seven had several new hits. Today, you don't see the same sort of strength in the Number One Network. Seven has several decent shows, but it hasn't been able to find a show to replace CSI, it hasn't been able to keep Desperate Housewives over 1 million, its comedies (like HIMYM) are shuffled back to multichannels and Rafters, which was a mega-hit when it first began, has been treated like garbage and as such is shedding viewers. Nine back in its day was a consistant, well-oiled network- today, Seven is the "Steven Bradbury of Network Television." (Cheers, Joe Hockey) It just wins because it has a few shows which beat out the rest- e.g. DWTS, AGT beating 9 and TEN because there is nothing on.

If Nine plays their cards right, they could have BB stripped 6 or 7 nights a week winning timeslots and putting the network into first place. Furthermore, the lead-in to shows like CSI and POI could help regain some 8:30 stability. It might sound far-fetched, but I remember someone saying on this site (or TVTonight) that "When the TV goes on at 6pm, it usually stays on the same channel the whole night..."

If that is the outcome, Seven will have no chance. Of course, if Nine do muddle things up (which is very likely), it could be a trainwreck.
There's my essay done.

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 08:39 AM

Well, back in 2005 the networks were alot stronger than they are now- multichannels and all. Nine still had hits all over their schedule which had been top-rating for years- Seven had several new hits. Today, you don't see the same sort of strength in the Number One Network.

Seven have come from second/third in demo's last season to outright first across all of them (both in primary channel and network stakes). Hardly a sign that there is no strength.

Seven has several decent shows, but it hasn't been able to find a show to replace CSI, it hasn't been able to keep Desperate Housewives over 1 million, its comedies (like HIMYM) are shuffled back to multichannels and Rafters, which was a mega-hit when it first began, has been treated like garbage and as such is shedding viewers. Nine back in its day was a consistant, well-oiled network- today, Seven is the "Steven Bradbury of Network Television." (Cheers, Joe Hockey) It just wins because it has a few shows which beat out the rest- e.g. DWTS, AGT beating 9 and TEN because there is nothing on.


To say Seven wins because the other networks have nothing on is to underplay their strengths, much to say Ten only does well with MasterChef because they advertise it well.

Nine gave 2011 a good shot with sitcoms and new comedy programs, all of which flopped for whatever reason that may be. Seven played up their strengths and launched longer (and more hyped up) seasons of MKR and AGT to massive success. Winners and Losers did brilliantly in the demo's and is more successful than any other new Aussie drama since Rafters in 2008. They cut factual's out of the picture and pushed new 7:30 content. Having a solid 7pm option helped them feed a solid audience into that slot every night, something Nine hasn't managed (apart from The Block).

If Nine plays their cards right, they could have BB stripped 6 or 7 nights a week winning timeslots and putting the network into first place. Furthermore, the lead-in to shows like CSI and POI could help regain some 8:30 stability. It might sound far-fetched, but I remember someone saying on this site (or TVTonight) that "When the TV goes on at 6pm, it usually stays on the same channel the whole night..."

If that is the outcome, Seven will have no chance. Of course, if Nine do muddle things up (which is very likely), it could be a trainwreck.
There's my essay done.

Seven are intelligent enough to push their lower-rated drama's to Thursdays. Nine never learns their lesson with CSI and continue to try and return it to "hit" status when those days are clearly behind it. CSI will never, ever, hit the million mark again. It could sit behind the finale of The Block and still not attract a winning audience.
Person of Interest will suffer from Nine's own stupidity to return CSI to Sundays and kill off the small audience it had gained behind Underbelly.

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 09:04 AM

its comedies (like HIMYM) are shuffled back to multichannels


Just like Nine with Mike and Molly, Shit my Dad Says, Two and a Half Men and The Big Bang Theory...

When Seven slots 14 episodes of HIMYM on its primary channel in a week, then maybe there'd be a comparison to be made.
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Posted 19 November 2011 - 01:33 PM


Just like Nine with Mike and Molly, Shit my Dad Says, Two and a Half Men and The Big Bang Theory...

When Seven slots 14 episodes of HIMYM on its primary channel in a week, then maybe there'd be a comparison to be made.

Yes, but at least Nine has got a few comedies which are doing good business (Big Bang). IMO Nine should launch M&M or 2BG off the back of new Big Bang.

I agree with you that 14 eps of the show is overkill to the extreme. I was hoping Nine would make an effort to launch some new shows for summer, but as usual, they've been very lazy.

Edited by tmorgan96, 19 November 2011 - 01:35 PM.


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Posted 19 November 2011 - 03:52 PM

A few equals one?

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 05:05 PM

What has happened to The Games: London Calling? It was announced it would be in 2011 and hasn't aired.

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 05:16 PM

What has happened to The Games: London Calling? It was announced it would be in 2011 and hasn't aired.

If I recall correctly, there was some delay in production so it will air in 2012.

OFFLINE   MillerT1 #76

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 05:28 PM

I'm guessing Nine will play this straight after Easter to lead into their coverage in July.

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 05:43 PM

If Nine plays their cards right, they could have BB stripped 6 or 7 nights a week winning timeslots and putting the network into first place. Furthermore, the lead-in to shows like CSI and POI could help regain some 8:30 stability. It might sound far-fetched

It certainly is far-fetched. You are overestimating the popularity of Big Brother on Nine. There are many examples of shows or personalities shifting from Ten to Seven and Nine but flopping big time. There is a big danger that the demographics that watched this on Ten, will not watch it on Nine. there is also a danger that regular Nine viewers will be alienated by this type of programming and abandon Nine.

And the biggest problem will be that Big Brother is a spent force. Ratings for the last season were way down on past seasons because viewers had had enough of the concept. Why would they suddenly come back again now? BB is past its "use by" date.
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Posted 20 November 2011 - 05:47 PM

Big Brother will certainly get good initial figures launching off the Olympics. Not sure if will retain those figures though.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 05:11 AM

Nine to have "a red hot go" in 2012 in what will be the network's "best year in a decade"

http://www.mediaspy....n-2012-gyngell/

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 06:45 AM

Big Brother will certainly get good initial figures launching off the Olympics. Not sure if will retain those figures though.

I agree. It hasn't really been too long since BB was on Ten. I'm not sure people really want it back. And BB doesn't really sit with Nine's usual audience, which skews slightly older.