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[bacco007]

Media Spy has come to an agreement with OzTAM allowing us to resume posting ratings information both here on the forums and through The Spy Report.

Commencing from Monday 7th November 2011, the following ratings data will be available

• Nightly Shares (18:00 to 24:00)
  
  • Aggregate figure (5 capital cities)
• Top 20 Program rankings
  
  • All Free to Air Channels - 5 Cap Cities and Aggregate figures
  • All Free to Air Digital Multichannels - 5 Cap Cities and Aggregate figures
  • National Subscription Channels - National figure
• Top 5 Shows for the 16-39, 18-49 and 25-54 demographics
  
  • All Free to Air Channels - 5 Cap Cities and Aggregate figures
  • All Free to Air Digital Multichannels - 5 Cap Cities and Aggregate figures
  • National Subscription Channels - National figure
• Top 20 Timeshifted Program rankings
  
  • Free to Air and Subscription - Aggregate figure (5 capital cities)

The agreement we have signed limits us to using only this information, supplied directly from OzTAM - this will be the limit of what can be posted on the forums. This may be supplimented by information posted on The Spy Report in a method approved by OzTAM and members of the TSR writing team.

Our ratings archive will be made available as a sub-forum of the new ratings forum - all archive threads shall be locked, not allowing further discussion.

[Racer25]

Great to see this outcome Bacco, well done on your work with OzTAM in negotiating this deal.

I know many MS' will be a bit disappointed that numbers-based discussion of lower-rated programs is now off limits, but I'm glad we've got the ratings forum back!

Side Note: With end of year pressers coming from all the major networks, will discussion of these figures be allowed at all? Eg. "Seven secured x% of A18-49 in 2011, Nine y%, Ten z%. Seven improved by x amount, Nine slid by y amount, Ten slid by z amount" etc.

[Mark]

just further to the above, the daily shares, Top 20 Freeview and Top 20 Multichannels are emailed to us around 9am, the Top 20 Subscription TV around 10am.... so when there's a Spy Reporter or Mod around (we all get the email)... it will be on site ASAP.

In the past couple of weeks the emails have been sent to other sites like mine around 10.30am, but we've requested, and it's been agreed to, that it be sent around 9am

[bacco007]

Side Note: With end of year pressers coming from all the major networks, will discussion of these figures be allowed at all? Eg. "Seven secured x% of A18-49 in 2011, Nine y%, Ten z%. Seven improved by x amount, Nine slid by y amount, Ten slid by z amount" etc.

I believe it depends on how it is to be presented I believe, we will cross that bridge when it comes!

[jimbo]

what about ratings predictions? dead?

[Bass]

Congrats on this outcome, well done to all

[WAtv]

so the same info which is available to Tv Central
will be available to all at media spy

[bacco007]

what about ratings predictions? dead?

It is hard to give a definitive answer - while predictions shouldn't pose a problem, if the show fails to make the top 20 (or top 5 in the demos) it will be difficult to report the rating.

For the moment, the ratings compeititon will be sidelined.

[bacco007]

so the same info which is available to Tv Central
will be available to all at media spy

We are bound by the same agreement that other sites (including TV Tonight and Molks TV Talk) are.

[Reuder7]

We are bound by the same agreement that other sites (including TV Tonight and Molks TV Talk) are.

So all that 'negotiating' and you still ended up with the same deal as everyone else? The top 5 demographic performers is useless really.
Can the normal predictions thread return?

[bacco007]

So all that 'negotiating' and you still ended up with the same deal as everyone else? The top 5 demographic performers is useless really.

The data that we receive was never up for negotiation, the agreement also covers how the information we are given can be used - there were specific issues related around making the information available in the forums and our historic data that we needed to sort out.

Can the normal predictions thread return?

It will be considered

[seanie]

Something I'm still not clear on is whether forum discussion regarding programmes which fall outside the lists mentioned above is acceptable. As I understand they cannot be listed, but can they be mentioned in an editorialised form on the forums, or is that restricted to The Spy Report?

[Mark]

So all that 'negotiating' and you still ended up with the same deal as everyone else? The top 5 demographic performers is useless really.

trust me, it was a lot less than that until a few days ago - I think they were surprised with the amount of pressure all sites put on them and they had to have a bit of a rethink.

[ryno]

thanks to everyone involed for their hard work in making this possable

[ryaneco]

Yes good to see it back!!

If a network like Ten/Nine/Seven send out a press release is this information allowed to be posted on the forum? i.e. TEN sends a press release stating The Project was xxx can that be then posted in the forums as it was supplied by the network and not oztam?

[Mark]

Yes good to see it back!!

If a network like Ten/Nine/Seven send out a press release is this information allowed to be posted on the forum? i.e. TEN sends a press release stating The Project was xxx can that be then posted in the forums as it was supplied by the network and not oztam?

nope.

[Reuder7]

Oztam clearly have nothing better to do than bother online forums. Since when can you copyright facts?

[tjkirk]

Since when can you copyright facts?

When you own them.

[Reuder7]

When you own them.

Mmm, I dunno. I'm sure you can own the methodology of how you reached that conclusion, how you present that information, but how do you own the fact that 1.2 million people watched Today Tonight?

[Squee!]

They found that out through their equipment that they bought and gave out to households to record data back to them.
Therefore they own that information.