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[Blue Mountains]

Ahh the British Broadcasting Corporation, the ABC's big cousin.
I must say why can't we be more like THEM.
Anyway here's a clip from BBC in 2003. And yes Dead Ringers does come into mind here.
Just click on this link and wait a short time (like John Howard describing how low Interest Rates are!)
Or use "SAVE TARGET"

I think you'll be impressed.
http://mediaspy.org/...knews200303.ram

[lester1980]

Surely just a run of the mill start to the Six O'Clock News then - not too dis-similar to Aussie News or am I wrong?? Has anyone seen how the ITV Evening News starts as there doesn't seem to be much about on the Internet?

[queensland_9]

Well as of next week I'm a resident of London, so have been watching the BBC London bulletins on the net. I really like how they structure their 10 o'clock news bulletin. National news and sport first, then Huw Edwards/Fiona Bruce throws to the regional news rooms for a 5 minute news and sport update including a local weather forecast. The regions then cross back to Huw/Fiona for a re-cap of the headlines before ending the bulletin. A detailed National weather update then follows after the news finishes.

Would be good if ABC would do something similar here.

[MelbourneTV]

Nope, I disagree, well not at 7pm anyway.
We're such a big country by space in comparison to the UK and along with that are a stack of regional differences and regional issues. The UK also doesnt have states, so copying the BBC would also water down coverage required to various state issues.

It's bad enough we already have the networked sports crap, networked news with local inserts at 7pm would be stupid for the ABC to do.

[NewsWorld]

Nope, I disagree, well not at 7pm anyway.
We're such a big country by space in comparison to the UK and along with that are a stack of regional differences and regional issues. The UK also doesnt have states, so copying the BBC would also water down coverage required to various state issues.

It's bad enough we already have the networked sports crap, networked news with local inserts at 7pm would be stupid for the ABC to do.

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Very true... the ABC tried national news at 7 years ago with a thing called "The National" it has earned its place in TV folklore as a disaster... although I think that reputation might be a little more myth than reality these days.
The ABC would have to be careful to retain a local feel, it doesn't want to end up with the situation in the UK where the BBC news at 6 is effectively irrelevant in Scotland where much of the home news reported from London no longer applies because of devolution. There's even a move for their own Scottish 6.
(The same applies to BBC News at 10, but to lesser extent because that bulletin has a more global philosophy)
In Australia, there might be scope for regional opt outs WITHIN states.. but the infrastructure is not there, unless you present all the bulletins out of the state capital.

Edited by NewsWorld, 07 March 2005 - 12:05 PM.

[fox1]

Nope, I disagree, well not at 7pm anyway.
We're such a big country by space in comparison to the UK and along with that are a stack of regional differences and regional issues. The UK also doesnt have states, so copying the BBC would also water down coverage required to various state issues.

It's bad enough we already have the networked sports crap, networked news with local inserts at 7pm would be stupid for the ABC to do.

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well first up, I don't much think QLD9 was saying ABC to 'try that AT 7pm as such'. i didn't get that feeling.

late at night is a different story and I see totally why he made that comment

so, as far as I know, QLD9 would say national news at 7pm is stupid too. a beefed-up local, heaps good-looking news production from ABC would be nice. something like BBC News at Ten would be very welcome from me at 10:30 on ABC, only if it looked great that is!!

BBC News at 10 rates well. I think a big national late news (maybe with some local people working the shifts and staying past their usual bedtime) would do well on ABC

Edited by fox1, 07 March 2005 - 01:19 PM.

[Blue Mountains]

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[Blue Mountains]

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Edited by Blue Mountains, 07 March 2005 - 04:06 PM.

[Composition Dept]

CBC Canada has Canada Now at 6pm with 30 minutes of national news, and then 30 minutes of regional news. Then at 10pm, it's "The National with Peter Mansbridge", with 1 hour of National News. Canada Now is commercial-free, but I don't know if The National is.

I heard on TVNewsTalk.net that CBC might be starting full regional bulletins again instead of the 30 minute insert on Canada Now.

[queensland_9]

well first up, I don't much think QLD9 was saying ABC to 'try that AT 7pm as such'. i didn't get that feeling.

late at night is a different story and I see totally why he made that comment

so, as far as I know, QLD9 would say national news at 7pm is stupid too. a beefed-up local, heaps good-looking news production from ABC would be nice. something like BBC News at Ten would be very welcome from me at 10:30 on ABC, only if it looked great that is!!

BBC News at 10 rates well. I think a big national late news (maybe with some local people working the shifts and staying past their usual bedtime) would do well on ABC

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Thank you Fox you hear what I'm saying. There is no way I would want a national bulletin at 7pm on ABC, but a late bulletin is a different thing altogether. I think something similar to the 10 o'clock news in place of Lateline would be good.

Have a national bulletin with the interviews and everything as Lateline currently does, but opt-out near the end of the bulletin and have a 5 minute State bulletin and state weather forecast before opting back to the National bulletin for a re-cap of the headlines and a National weather forecast. 30mins is probably a little tight to fit all that in plus give decent coverage to national and world news, but the bulletin could be extended to say 40mins instead of just 30.

[MelbourneTV]

Yeh for late news, why not but not 7pm. Overall the entire country has shit all local production on TV (ABC,7,9,10 included) so the more local news we have the better.

I cant see the ABC innovating much anyway - they are too stingy.

[Deejayem]

..... a beefed-up local, heaps good-looking news production from ABC would be nice. something like BBC News at Ten would be very welcome from me at 10:30 on ABC, only if it looked great that is!!

BBC News at 10 rates well. I think a big national late news (maybe with some local people working the shifts and staying past their usual bedtime) would do well on ABC

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The thing to remember though is that in the UK the 10 (and previously 9) oclock news is the 'main' bulletin of the day, while the six bulletins were normally the earlier bulletins (almost, but not quite the equivelant of our new 4:30 bulletins)...

[Frankie]

Further to Newsworld's thread regarding Dan Rathers' departure from CBS News under the Spy News section, some interesting observations have been raised in DAVID BAUDER's article, courtesy Associated Press:

1. A CBS affiliate was taking a vote among its viewers on whether to air the network's prime-time tribute to Dan Rather, and, in his last full week on the air, Dan finished a distant third in the ratings.

2. A CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll released Tuesday night said the percentage of people who say they believe all or most of what Dan says has declined to 23 percent, compared with 34 percent in 2002.

3. WWTV in Cadillac, Mich., said it decided to let viewers vote on whether it should air Wednesday's prime-time tribute, "Dan Rather: A Reporter Remembers," after being inundated with "negative feedback" about Dan.

The CBS affiliate will air something else — it wouldn't say what — if a majority of voters turn thumbs down on Dan. As of Tuesday afternoon, more than 1,000 people had cast ballots with 63 percent voting against Dan, station spokeswoman Tessia Klix said.

Edited by Frankie, 09 April 2005 - 05:34 PM.

[NewsWorld]

Just out of interest, did any Australian bulletins carry Dan's farewell?
I remember we had some intense debate on a similar topic when Tom Brokaw stepped down (Hello Fox )
Sky News actually carries the CBS Evening News - Now without Dan Rather - did they do anything in their own bulletins?

[fox1]

despite ALL the articles, I do like Dan Rather, and I did like his send-off. I don't care what other people said about him, such as that his career is somehow tarnished or tragic.

I happen to think the CBS Evening News was really a top broadcast. coming in at #3, but really they were putting out an extremely good product. Dan did have some problems as the anchor, evident in his #3 position for the last 10 years. initially I went with his , and others' argument that the CBS local affiliates (many of which are very very weak) harmed his 6:30pm ratings. but as CBS went on in recent times to smash prime-time entertainment ratings, I think the CBSEN team really had to look at itself, and realize that it was #3 cos of itself.

notwithstanding the fact Dan may well should have moved on years ago (because of low ratings... nothing to do with the 60 mins story) OR at least DONE some radically different things even with his own anchor presence to try to come back ratings-wise, I still really like the guy.

I only watched Sky. they had LONG packages written (well) and produced (well) by Terry Gallaway. every hour all morning, and possibly afternoon though I didn';t see

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about British news at 10... I know that's the main news of the day... and a whole heap of differences come into account there factoring in their BIG National News: not least of which Britain is a small in size country, also by far not as separate and distant between regions as here, and the US....

I still think essentially a strong late night national news on ABC could do very well. somewhat similar to BBC

[Mr Q]

The BBC's Welsh news programme "Wales Today", as well as it's Welsh language counterpart (broadcast on S4C~) "Newyddion" have had relaunches, bringing them into line with the BBC National News look...

See Wales Today at: TV Ark & The TV Room
See Newyddion at: TV Ark

Edited by Mr Q, 11 March 2005 - 10:44 AM.

[fox1]

couple other bits about CBS!

i wish Dan all the best, just out of interest! I didn't mind his 'flag-waving' stuff. I found it odd yesterday when Fox and Friends hosts went on and on about how fake he was on his final few seconds. I found it anything but fake., it's hard to believe i would have such a different reaction but there you go. for what it's worth, I find the guys on Fox and Friends to be very fake sometimes in their very very selective outrage or their selective bickering amongst each-other... everything is selective over there.

anyway, Bill O'Reilly by the way has been pretty generous and kind to Rather. last night though, he said he thinks the new CBSEN with Bob Schieffer will "not be competitve" at all ... they're done, or words to that effect.

about Bob Schieffer: listen, it could all go to shit fast.... BUT: i will go out on a limb and say that I think Bob can hold up the numbers quite well. I don't personally see the O'Reilly 'disaster' with Schieffer in the chair.

I think Bob is a good choice. I also think he's a great journo, anchor and talent. His first night was very gracious and humble. and genuine (like Rather). it must be strange to finally GET the big gig as host of the CBS Evening News (with your name in the regular titles) and you're pushing 70! that's really weird, huh!! and I got a sense of that from him too. but I think he may have some decent appeal out there across America. I think he is not objectionable, offensive, unlikeable.... on the contrary, I would argue his appeal is broad. I think his age is a GOOD thing for CBS, in comparison with NBC's Brian Williams. it's a point of difference.

like I said yesterday, I think the CBSEN is a great great newscast. the reporters, coverage, style, presenation, flow, rhythm, direction of the thing I think is very strong for what they are trying to do ...> namely, national news at 6:30. i hope Bob does really well there

[NewsWorld]

The BBC's Welsh news programme "Wales Today", as well as it's Welsh language counterpart (broadcast on S4C~) "Newyddion" have had relaunches, bringing them into line with the BBC National News look...

See Wales Today at: TV Ark & The TV Room
See Newyddion at: TV Ark

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Both look very BBC... slick, professional, contemporary etc.
My only comment would be that there's no regional identity in either the opening titles or the set. Nothing that says Wales (Cymru). It could have easily been achieved with some washed in images etc.

[Mr Q]

Both look very BBC... slick, professional, contemporary etc.
My only comment would be that there's no regional identity in either the opening titles or the set. Nothing that says Wales (Cymru). It could have easily been achieved with some washed in images etc.

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Well - pay close attention to the "globe" in both those sequences - it's only got Wales on it, while on the Wales Today titles (I don't know about Newyddion), there is a dragon (for those who don't know, the dragon is a very Welsh symbol) superimposed on one of the ribbons as it circles the "globe".

But yes, the references to Wales are very subtle - not as obvious as the old sequences of the Welsh landmass with place names scrolling everywhere.